The shutdown of library.nu
by sayamindu
I came to know about the Lions Book soon after I had started to use GNU/Linux during the final years of my high-school. Although I had a PDF copy of it (along with another PDF of the source code), I wanted to have a physical copy of the book as well. I had to wait for quite a few years before that could happen, because the printed book wasn’t available in India. Finally, in late 2006, after getting paid for my first consultant job, I got a copy shipped from the United States to Kolkata.
The reason I was reminded of the incident is the recent news about the shutdown of library.nu, a popular ebook downloading portal. Before going into the details, I should state upfront that I do not endorse or support the way library.nu operated. I would certainly want to see publishers and authors and booksellers fairly compensated for their efforts. However, the basic problem here was (and still is), that many publishers simply did not and do not care about certain markets, and I’m sure, if library.nu’s access logs were to be analyzed, these markets would come out in overwhelming majority.
“We will not tolerate free-loaders who make unearned profits by depriving authors and publishers of their due compensation. This is an important step towards more transparent, honest, and fair trade of digital content on the Internet.“
This was a part of a statement from Jens Bammel of the International Publishers Association. What Mr Bammel (and many others) seem to conveniently ignore is the fact that sometimes publishers simply do not have their content in digital formats, or even if they do, the content is restricted to limited geographies, effectively depriving billions (the so-called “free-loaders”) of access to creativity, knowledge and information. When I was reading the Lions Book, mass-market ebook-readers did not exist. Now they do — and I feel incredibly frustrated when I recommend a book to my friends in India (many of whom own ebook-readers), only to find that a ebook version does not exist, or even if it does, it is not available to customers outside of a certain geographical region (usually the United States). A case in point would be Seymour Papert’s The Children’s Machine: Rethinking School In The Age Of The Computer — the book that pushed me to apply to grad-school at MIT. There’s no ebook edition of that book — at least not for the most popular ebook-reader brand that’s out there. For someone in India, this would mean paying the rupee-equivalent of the US dollar price of the book (which would be quite expensive — especially if you are a student) and then waiting for quite a bit of time before getting it. In such a situation, isn’t it natural for someone to just go to one of these ebook download portals, and then download a “pirated” copy instead of going through all the hassle? And it is not just India, in fact, the situation in India is a lot better than many other countries in the world. One of the most vivid memories of my trip to Birmingham, UK for GUADEC 2007 is the visual of the stacks of O’Reilly books that Dulmandakh Sukhbaatar, the GNOME developer from Mongolia had bought to carry back home. He didn’t get O’Reilly books in Mongolia, he said, and wanted to carry back as much as he could. (I should probably mention here that as far as my personal experience goes, O’Reilly is one of the publishers who do a much better job of reaching out to non US/Western markets — and I would also say that it goes on to prove that there is a market for legitimate copies of books outside of the Western hemisphere, and not everyone in the rest of the world is a “free-loader”.)
Of course — all this is nothing new. The story is largely similar with movies. It’s just that I feel more passionately about books, and I feel sad, that after what happened last week, a lot of people out there lost their only viable option for accessing a large chunk of human creativity and knowledge. Part (2) of article 27 of the UN Universal declaration of Human Rights states:
Everyone has the right to the protection of the moral and material interests resulting from any scientific, literary or artistic production of which he is the author.
while part (1) states:
Everyone has the right freely to participate in the cultural life of the community, to enjoy the arts and to share in scientific advancement and its benefits.
Indeed, it is a sad situation when the two statements above are pitched against each other.
Here I was, thinking you guys probably found a way to salvage the situation.
‘Twas a sad day, indeed. I suddenly feel extremely lucky to be at a place where I can literally get any book I want the next day. I wonder how I would’ve survived graduate studies in India without library.nu or its precursor. And I should point out that books have basically been my singular source of investment, more because of the site than in spite of it.
Same in Argentina (South America). Books that are impossible to reach otherwise. Sad day.
Same thing here in Costa Rica (Central America). What a great loss. Is there a library.nu substitute?
i dont think so, but if you people find any other web site then please inform us.….…
plz infrm me too..
I also find this very sad.
Thanks for shedding light on a less mainstream (but just as material) victim of the textbook problem: the people who don’t have access to them. In the states, the core problem surrounding textbooks is the cost, and that’s it. Price points aside, we definitely take for granted the fact that information is easy to acquire.
Hopefully Apple’s changes and some of the open source content initiatives in the education space will help resolve some of these issues. I wouldn’t be surprised if you see the impact of these initiatives widely adopted in the areas you mention, where publishers have far less to gain from limiting the adoption.
Thanks for writing this article. library.nu was huge. I’ve found lot’s of books my local library does not have or that I just could not afford (because of insane prices, out of stock… ) where available through this site.
I just wanted to note that a quick google search after library and genesis could bring a pleasant result for the sad crowd.
That’s odd; I just entered the first hit following your suggestions and I got a page that says “404 Not Found”.
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library.nu is down? WTF?? what am i supposed to order books in the U.S and wait for 2 – 3 weeks to receive them? not to mention the possibility of losing it…
Anyone, interested in running something similar? perhaps over Tor for protection??
I can offer my modest desktop and my connection…
Truly sad for it’s gone…
@sayamindu: could not agree more with you.
@anonymous: thanks for the tip on library and genesis!
Good to hear this News, The copyright must be maintained.
Great Work.
Good to hear that knowledge-monopolists have support from Guest 99. Hopefully, this is only a minor setback towards the open-source knowledge as it should be. Copyright as you imagine it has nothing to do with someone’s work or ideas. If a person use other person’s work/idea and sign her/his name that is the only copyright violation. For the first time in History we, humanity, are able to communicate in an instant, share knowledge on a global level thus making it available to most. And what are ‘we’ doing? Trying to stop that, keeping the ‘Ancien Régime’ alive as long as possible. That is so elitistic and selfish.
Why wouldn’t anyone, who is doing a research/investigation/experiment and write it down, want to make his work available for others, his colleauges and everyone interested in that subject? It can only improve our knowledge and undertanding of the theme. “No man is an Island…” and if you find a single scientist/writter/artist.… who didn’t rely on some work of the predecessors you are delusioned. Comprehensive XXI century Alexandria Library, allow me to dub it so, open for everyone would be a “Great work”, this act is just sad.
Totally agree with you. The person above you (Guest99) has a one-track normalised and institutionalised brain.
I agree with some of the statements above library.nu has helped me find some books that I can’t find in my country because no one is interested in these kind of academic books or the books are old. I am the type of person that’d buy book if I can find it. But academic books are hard to come by in my country.
Totally agree with you. the same by me in my country… : (( I am very sad about the end of library.nu. I still cant believe it..
Even if the books are available, the other factor is the huge prize of the books. I bought “The Lost Symbol” of Dan Brown for Rs. 800. In this much amount I can easily fulfill my hunger for almost 1 months. If it would have been Indian author and publisher, it would have been around 200 rs., around 1/4th less.
Now library.nu is down, What next? It seems that the world wants me to suffer because I dont stay in USA or Europe.
It is a very sad day
I wish that library.nu will start to operate again.
IT is really a sad day. i have used library nu as a reliable source, but now i am doing my thesis as a post graduate student without ” library nu” ! i hope it will operate again as soon as possible
hear hear.
Sites like library.nu wouldn’t have to exist or would have to be popular if people could get ahold of digital copies of books easily from the publishers.
Honestly, I would be willing to pay the full price of the book especially if it meant I could get a quality document already equipped with ocr and indexing.
It is near an impossibillty to find digitalized non-fiction/academia books. And worse, to find books that are readable by any reader out there.
If the publishers want to shut down sites that are making millions off of books they don’t actually own, I understand. But why not provide the service the population is seeking. In the absence of such resources, people are bound to turn to websites like library.nu.
I find all of this so very frustrating.
shutdown of library nu is a catastrophe equal to destruction of library at alexandria by romans. we are impoverished all over again.
exactly…
where is this world going to…
How sharing a book for non-commercial purpose can become an act of piracy? Capitalism is appropriating the accumulated knowledge of hitherto humanity, and finally becomes its terminator by using the sheer logic of market!!!
Friends belonging to a middle class society it is very difficult to manage science periodicals and costly books.Library.nu was providing a breakthrough to research works by making the resources available may be by cheating the miserable publishers. It’s really a shocking news for the students/researchers for whom money is a constraint and a golden blade for the money hunter publishers. Library.nu was like a Robin hood for the young researchers. At last many many thanks to library.nu and as well as this portal to give a chance to express my views.
Library.nu was like a Robin hood for the young researchers. well said. It is sad for loosing Library.nu. Hope it will come once again with new name!
I completely agree with SAYAMINDU about checking the markets before shutting down library.nu.It is nearly impossible to get good books in a third world country and for a student the costs are so sky high it’s best not mentioned! Now I’m at a loss before the exams with this sudden death of my only way of accessing important books
The shutting down of such a useful site is indeed a great loss to serious knowledge seekers.
A compromise could be brought in, by uploading the IMMEDIATELY PREVIOUS edition of a particular book. For example, if the currently marketed edition is EIGHTH, then one can have access to the SEVENTH [& the seventh ONLY!!!] edition on library.nu.
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Really I am too sad hearing library.nu shutdown. It was a blessed job like an angel helping the world to make knowledge horizontal. Think about to those who couldn’t able to pay but have vivid dream to create a lot. How these people get recent scientific outputs?
I hope their should be a solution soon otherwise we will see the impact in a short time!
We will definitely see a new website/s springing up soon — as good, or perhaps betterthan, library.nu. Capitalism has only made open source make itself available in newer and diverse ways
It very sad new for research scholars like me from Developing countries like India
The shutdown of ” library.nu” is worldwide TSUNAMI!! For poor students without enough schoolarship,how can we survive intellectually when our source of information is shutdown suddenly like this!!!!
Is there another alternative to LIBRAY.NU? Kindly let me know-Thank you in advance!
It was so sad… I really liked library.nu. It was so useful. My thesis was about something very specific (mathematics), and library.nu has helped me a lot. I found many interesting books, impossible to get in Chile (Southamerica)… but I also could choose which book we finally bought, we bought 4 book (the most interesting and useful). Bought through Amazon. Otherwise I would have bought only one, the most recommended. We couldn’t buy all “maybe-useful” books, and afterwards throw them away.
Thanks for the article, it completely defines my opinion!
I forgot: the books, we bought in Amazon, finally arrived 2 month later… Without library.nu I would have finished a bit later than I did, only with one book and less information
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The same, I used library.nu as a source to find the best books I needed for my works. Than I bought them on amazon, but had to wait till my friend brought them to me to my country from UK… : ((( I cant remember how long it took, but I had to wait quite long : ( And I cant afford to buy english fairy tales when I teach children english, so I downloaded some of them from library.nu…
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“library.nu” In loving memory !
Very sad thing happened. The monoply of publishers giving huge loss to the growth of knowledge. Hope to see library.nu again.
I am sad. It is like going back to the dark age. Hope it will resurrect.
alas;
great Loss
open source book was a good mode of exhange of knowledge.
A book of rarity was also available and knowing the lot of new books that were existing in field
And there is a need for source a online library
piracy can be eliminated by making polices like contribution by the user to the author/publisher while downloadin
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This Site was very useful for students as well as teachers. Shut down of this site has made us really very sad
library.nu’s shut down is a method to monoplies science.
it is very sad news regarding to the shutting of library.nu. bcoz many of them dont have ability to purchase books like me, and not one book have material of different sortings.…..
It is very sad, a great loss to poor knowledge seekers. I wish it starts again. Please post alternate sources, those who know.
I studding in M.Sc. , it is not possible to get every book from library or market.
It is very useful & i get maximum benefit from this site, please start it.
I studding in MSc., in the field of Finance and Investment. It is possible to get different Books from library nu. But;now it is difficult to get.Please start it
guys same here in Nepal. we did not get the reference books without it.
very tragedic event!.…what can we African Scholars could do because of the closing of the genuine library nu? Knowledge.….will continue to deprive as the poverty is.…am so sorry!!!..I hope this site will be functional very soonly!!!
i am studying my MSc in Biostatistics and public health Informatics and there are no references for doing my thesis„„please, let it be back!.…we don’t have any reference here in Africa! we are the hope for…!..but we are the nothing with out this site!!!
Please find a solution and comeback !!, It was really so helpful.
i am waiting for it. it helps me alot plz get it back
It well and nice if library.nu is opened again unless please give us websites which are alternatives to this site .
Even though the publishers is their right to make blocked the site, but the are area of schools and pupils in AFRICA where people have NO CREDIT CARD NUMBERS , which are important to buy the books online.
so please solve the problem as much as possible for the sake of all AFRICAN college and high schools’ students and LECTURERS and generally to enhance the knowledge and information transfer .
The Ethiopian ,
with respect,
thanks !!!
Its great loss to me…please try to get alternative solution for readers.….
shutdown of library nu is a catastrophe equal to destruction of library at alexandria by romans. we are impoverished all over again.
please reopen the site again.
with regards
this is not good thing happened because it is loss of knowledge
I can’t believe this. a bad news especially to the poor …! How we r devoid of knowledge, the ultimate need and right a human being dare to have!
I’m so disappointed to see that Library.nu is no more. It’s just like someone has block all the joy and happiness of learning. The country of third word already not so rich in eduction where neccessities of life already difficult to meet, it is just a cruel shock. Please let the door open.
It’s a very harsh decision for those who don’t have money and resoruces to aquire knowledge. It was a tonic to poor researchers. Pleas do something help the poors
This site was very good for book download.Some time we found such a book which is not available in market by paying money also.It is very good site for poor researcher because some time we have to download some book which cost is too high .So please do something
it is really a black day for book lovers. library.nu is really a good place where we can find books related to every field. it has not only helped the poor but the researchers who could easily find books related to advance topics which are not easily available for purchase also.i hope that the site will be opened again shortly.i appeal all the book lovers to post comments to show the need of the website.
LIBRARY.NU was a great web. We all miss it.
Question is how to find a balance between the people who write books to many many people (rich, poor and poorer) dying to learn the same!!! Is there a possibility something similar to LIBRARAY.NU in near future ? I guess not because of stringent laws…
oh it is a great loss for us who are living in the third world
Many people in Africa will not have an alternative source of information hereafter. This is a dark day.
I hope library.nu will start soon again
Ban on knowledge sharing. Its bullshit act to support ignorance. highly condemnable
please “library nu” , come back!
I was terribly sad about the closure of library.nu
I am giving guidance to the students and I refer so much on various books which most of them are very useful for the students who have not much money to buy the books
Hopefully this can be resolved in other ways.
me too,its very helpful specially to the less privilege.all books that i need to acquire more knowledge can be found in library.nu…ill keep the faith to restore this site…thanks to library.nu
what a lose ! the real free source of knowledge, specially for the scholars in developing zone, is gone…
In Ethiopia, where I’m from, Text books cannot be found locally and we can’t order online because we don’t have credit cards. Our only option is to have friends and family purchase the book and send on when and if someone is traveling back at a cost of 18 birr to one USD? In what universe is this fair???????? BRING BACK library.nu!!!!!
Its really sad to hear this news. I can not put what is going in my mind in words but its a big loss to all young and blooming scholars across world.
Hope a new successor for library.nu or library.nu itself will come soon.
Very sad news indeed.. Missing NU.Library a lot.
Same thing when it comes to China, I feel sad even now. Anyone has an alternative. Please tell me.
I don’t have enough words to express my sadness for this shutdown.
Shutdown of this library is a big loss to young scholars and researchers..WE student cannot think of buying every books as it becomes costly…
Anyone has an alternative. Please let us know.
Check bib.tiera.ru. Although it is not as good as library.nu, it is not bad either.
Library.nu was really helpful for many people , specially for students who cannot affoard to buy books. Just to server the intrest of book publishers,this great facility has been taken away from millions of rederas specially students. Really an unbalanced act by .….……
yes„it’s very bad news„,so what about alternative for library.nu„,plz inform me too.
It is great lose to the scholar world.…
It was a boon to needy.…
It it is come back, that will be the most happy news in my life.…
the closure is a blow on ‘education for all’. Shame on you so called publishers who always look after MONEY.
It is very sad to see “library.nu” no more available. This is not good news esp. for the third-world and underdeveloped countries. Americas, Australians and Europeans can easily access the books in the libraries, but what will happen to the rest of the world, I mean the countries where the library services are poor.
Knowledge is going to be in the hands of the rich; we are going back to some centuries ago; the poor will suffer, the rich will enjoy.
I’m going to hate knowledge; I’m going to hate capitalism.
Long Live LIBRARY.NU
Down with .NU DOMAIN
I have an idea:
Let’s make a network of emails and send each other those ebooks we have.
YOU who are reading this comment.…
…
What do you think of this?
There’s the risk of hackers all the time, but I think this is a good idea.
Leave a reply for this and let each other know …
Samirr,
This is a good idea.
We may start a listserv in order to facilitate such a network being established.
Samirr,
get some software engineer, make new site, those who have dowloaded books, start puting in it…
some one has to take the inictive„ you cannot just seat and be sad.
if there is any other website of free e-books downloading, like “library.nu” then please inform me on my email: pk3999@gmail.com
there are other alternatives such as legalreads.com
pls start library.nu.….
I wonder what to say… I share my sadness as a scholar from Nepal… Library.nu was handy whenever I needed authentic resources… Whatever be the cost it should be reopened… Knowledge is power: a colonial idea!!! and ban it for sake of economic reason: both colonial and capitalist!!!!